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N° 2020/2                  ASG

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                                                                             Chère lectrice, cher lecteur,                       Liebe Leserinnen und Leser,

                                                                             GeoAgenda 2020/2 est dédié aux associations         Die GeoAgenda 2020/2 ist den internationalen
     Une passion          Leidenschaft für     Interview of   Interview of
                                                                             internationales de géographie. Francisco Klauser    Geographieorganisationen gewidmet. Francisco
  pour la géographie       die Geographie     Zoltan Kovacs   David Kaplan
                                                                             président de l’ASG, a exprimé, lors de la           Klauser, Präsident der ASG, hat an der letzten
                                                                             dernières assemblée des délégué.e.s de l’ASG,       Delegiertenversammlung der ASG das Knüpfen

        16                                                                   notre intention d'établir et d'approfondir des
                                                                             contacts internationaux, dans le but de position-
                                                                                                                                 und Vertiefen internationaler Kontakte mit
                                                                                                                                 dem Ziel, die ASG auf internationaler Ebene zu
                                                                             ner l’association sur le plan international.        positionieren, thematisiert.
     Interview of
   Suresh Chand Rai
                                                                             Ce numéro est composé d’un article introductif      In dieser Ausgabe sind ein einleitender Artikel
                                                                             écrit par Francisco Klauser ainsi que de trois      von Francisco Klauser sowie drei Interviews zu
                                                                             interviews, qui offrent un aperçu de différents     finden, die einen Einblick geben in verschie-
                                                                             mondes de la géographie internationale.             dene Welten der internationalen Geographie.
                   AUTRES CONTRIBUTIONS / ANDERE BEITRÄGE                    La première interview est réalisée avec Zoltán     Im ersten Interview äussert sich Zoltán Kovács,
                                                                             Kovács le président de la European Association     der Präsident der European Association of
                                                                             of Geographical Societies (EUGEO). La deuxième      Geographical Societies (EUGEO) und im zweiten

        20                                                                   est réalisée avec David Kaplan, le président
                                                                             de l’Association of American Geographers (AAG).
                                                                                                                                 David Kaplan, der Präsident der Association of
                                                                                                                                 American Geographers (AAG). Im dritten kommt
    Enseignant.e.s et                                                        Finalement, la troisième relate une conversa-       schliesslich Suresh Chand Rai, der Präsident
appréhension des enjeux                                                      tion avec Suresh Chand Rai, le président de         der National Association of Geographers India
 de durabilité mondiaux
                                                                             la National Association of Geographers India        (NAGI), zu Wort. Welches sind die Ziele und Tä-
                                                                             (NAGI). Quelles sont les buts, les activités et     tigkeitsfelder dieser Organisationen und vor
                                                                             les défis de ces associations ? Quelles sont les    welchen Herausforderungen stehen sie? Welche
                                                                             motivations qui mènent une personne à s’en-         Beweggründe hat jemand, der sich als Präsi-
                           ACTUALITÉ / AKTUALITÄT                            gager comme président.e d’une association de        dent/-in einer internationalen Geographieorga-
                                                                             géographie ? Telles sont les questions autour       nisation engagiert? Um solche Fragen drehen
                                                                             desquelles se structurent les échanges avec nos     sich die Gespräche mit unseren Interviewpart-
        24                    28                                             invités.                                            nern.

      Actualités              Agenda                                         Dans la rubrique « Autres contributions »           In der Rubrik «Andere Beiträge» widmet sich
      Aktualität
                                                                             l’article de Nadia Lausselet est dédié à la ques-   Nadia Lausselet der Ausbildung von Geogra-
                                                                             tion de la formation des enseignant.e.s de géo-     phielehrpersonen und dem im Lehrplan veran-
                                                                             graphie, dans leur tâche, donnée par le plan        kerten Auftrag, die Schülerinnen und Schüler
                                                                             d’étude, d’accompagner les élèves dans l’ap-        in Lernprozessen über aktuelle, globale Heraus-
                                                                             prentissage des enjeux de durabilité mondiaux       forderungen im Bereich der Nachhaltigkeit zu
                                                                             actuels.                                            begleiten.

                                                                             Bonne lecture,                                      Viel Vergnügen beim Lesen,
                                                                             Isabelle Schoepfer                                  Isabelle Schoepfer
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                    Une passion
                                                                                                                                           Internationalisation de l’ASG                               La joie de présider
                                                                                                                                                 La deuxième raison de mener les trois entretiens           La troisième raison des entretiens nous ramène
                                                                                                                                           réside dans mon intention de positionner et d'orien-        finalement au niveau personnel. C'est justement
                                                                                                                                           ter plus fortement l'ASG sur le plan international.         parce que la présidence d'une société géographique

                    pour la géographie
                                                                                                                                           Ces dernières années, l'ASG a fait ses devoirs (pas         comporte aussi des défis, qu'il faut parfois simple-
                                                                                                                                           toujours faciles). Les statuts et le système de co-         ment se faire plaisir. Le fait de communiquer par
                                                                                                                                           tisation des membres ont été révisés, les groupes           vidéoconférence avec un collègue indien, hongrois
                                                                                                                                           thématiques ont été créés, le comité de pilotage            ou américain et de mener une interview sur son en-
                                                                                                                                           a été élargi, etc. En outre, nous avons fait l’effort de    gagement dans la géographie appartient sans aucun
                                                                                                                                           donner de la visibilité à divers acteurs nationaux et       doute à cette catégorie. Plus généralement : l’attrac-
                                                                                                                                           membres de l’ASG. Ceci notamment en les mettant             tivité d’une association est toujours aussi liée à sa vie
                                                                                                                                           au cœur de certains numéros spéciaux de Geo-                interne et aux relations et échanges qu’elle favorise.
                                                                                                                                           Agenda : l’académie suisse des sciences naturelles          Ce point est également abordé dans les trois inter-
                                                                                                                                           (SCNAT), les instituts universitaires de géographie         views. Ce n'est pas par hasard que David Kaplan, par
Écrit par                C'est un réel plaisir de lire les trois interviews   Opportunités et défis des associations                       et enfin les sociétés régionales.                           exemple, mentionne dans son interview le plaisir
Francisco Klauser   de ce numéro de GeoAgenda sur les associations            de géographie                                                      Il s'agit maintenant d'établir et d'approfondir       qu'il a eu de discuter avec des étudiant.es sur leurs
                    de géographie : avec Zoltán Kovács (Président de                                                                       des contacts internationaux. Les enjeux sont grands         posters ou à participer à un concours de géographie.
                    la European Association of Geographical Societies,             D'une part, mon objectif avec ces interviews est        et l'ASG a beaucoup à apprendre des expériences
                    EUGEO), David Kaplan (Président de l’Association of       de discuter des opportunités et des défis des socié-         de ses grands frères et sœurs aux États-Unis, en Inde
                    American Geographers, AAG) et Suresh Chand Rai            tés de géographie au 21e siècle. Il est intéressant de       ou en Europe. Mais elle a aussi beaucoup à leur offrir
                    (Président de la National Association of Geographers      noter, par exemple, que les trois interviews sou-            en échange, spécialement parce que la géographie
                                                                                                                                                                                                         « Au-delà de son utilité,
                    India, NAGI). Ceci notamment parce que l’on ressent       lignent l'importance de renforcer le rôle de l'associa-      suisse a toujours été un lieu de rencontre de diffé-          l’engagement dans l’association
                    une véritable passion dans les trois entretiens : celle   tion respective par rapport à la politique et à la socié-    rentes langues, cultures et traditions scientifiques.
                                                                                                                                                                                                         doit aussi être un plaisir. »
                    de promouvoir le dialogue au sein de la géographie        té. Cela implique de toujours trouver le bon équilibre       Le souhait d'une coopération accrue a également
                    et de renforcer la position de la discipline dans         entre une prise de position claire et l’indépendance         été exprimé par les trois interlocuteurs. Il y a donc ici
                    l'éducation et dans la société. La passion, nécessaire    de l’association par rapport aux autres acteurs.             un énorme potentiel à exploiter à l'avenir.
                    dans de nombreux domaines de la vie, est indispen-             De plus, les trois entretiens mettent en évi-                                                                            C'est là que se trouve l’une des clés pour une
                    sable pour présider une association ou une société        dence le défi consistant à rendre les associations en                                                                    société géographique saine et prospère. Au-delà de
                    professionnelle. Bien entendu, ceci n’est qu’une des      question utiles et pertinentes pour leurs membres                                                                        son utilité, l’engagement dans l’association doit aussi
                    parallèles évidentes avec l’ASG.                          eux-mêmes. Là aussi, je pourrais témoigner de la
                                                                                                                                             « Il s'agit maintenant                                    être un plaisir. C'est exactement ce que ces inter-
                         Les trois interviews offrent un aperçu des           difficulté à légitimer une association géographique            d'établir et d'approfondir des                            views devraient nous rappeler – à moi-même aussi.
                    différents mondes de la géographie internationale.        non seulement vers l'extérieur, mais aussi vers l'inté-
                                                                                                                                             contacts internationaux. »                                Être un ou une géographe, président ou présidente,
                    Le choix des interviewés était surtout guidé par des      rieur. Dans le cas de l'ASG, nous travaillons avec des                                                                   est toujours une affaire de cœur. Ce qui nous ramène
                    réflexions personnelles. L'AAG devait être représen-      moyens beaucoup plus modestes que, par exemple,                                                                          à la passion.
                    tée parce que j'avais l'intention de mener l'interview    l'AAG. Citons par exemple les petits budgets dédiés
                    pendant la conférence annuelle de l'AAG à Denver          aux groupes thématiques et les subsides pour la
                    en avril. L'Inde s'y été ajoutée parce que je revenais    relève.
                    d'un voyage dans ce pays et que je voulais savoir              En ce qui concerne la question de l'organisation
                    comment la géographie y est organisée. Et l'EUGEO         interne des sociétés géographiques et des défis qui
                    a été choisi parce qu'Isabelle Schöpfer, en tant que      y sont associés, notons au passage aussi que ce
                    secrétaire générale de l'ASG, aurait dû assister à sa     sont des hommes qui sont aux commandes dans les
                    réunion annuelle à Vilnius, en Lituanie, vers la fin du   trois sociétés représentées. Il en va de même pour
                    mois d’avril. Malheureusement, le coronavirus s'est       l'Angleterre, l'Allemagne, la France, l'Italie, la Suisse,
                    également immiscé dans ces projets.                       etc. D'ailleurs, en Suisse, l’ASEG et la SSGA sont égale-
                         Les motivations pour mener les interviews et de      ment présidés par des hommes... C'est exactement
                    les publier sont très diverses. Je voudrais souligner     la raison pour laquelle il serait si important de trou-
                    trois aspects en particulier.                             ver une femme pour me succéder dans deux ans, à la
                                                                              fin de mon deuxième mandat de président de l’ASG.

                                                                                « C'est la raison pour laquelle                                                                                                                   PROF. FRANCISCO KLAUSER
                                                                                il serait important de trouver une
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Professeur de géographie poli-
                                                                                femme pour me succéder dans                                                                                                                       tique à l'Université de Neuchâtel
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  et président de l'ASG.
                                                                                deux ans, à la fin de mon deuxième
                                                                                mandat de président de l’ASG. »
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                    Leidenschaft für
                                                                                                                                         Internationalisierung der ASG                               Freude an der Präsidentschaft
                                                                                                                                              Der zweite Grund für die drei Gespräche liegt in            Der dritte Grund für die Gespräche führt dann
                                                                                                                                         der Absicht, die ASG verstärkt auch international zu        wieder zur persönlichen Ebene zurück. Gerade weil
                                                                                                                                         positionieren und auszurichten. In den letzten Jahren       die Präsidentschaft einer Geographischen Gesell-

                    die Geographie
                                                                                                                                         hat die ASG ihre (nicht immer einfachen) Hausaufga-         schaft auch einige Herausforderungen mit sich bringt
                                                                                                                                         ben gemacht. Die Statuten und das System der Mit-           muss man sich manchmal auch schlicht einen Gefal-
                                                                                                                                         gliederbeiträge wurden überarbeitet, die Themen-            len tun. Mit einem indischen, ungarischen oder ameri-
                                                                                                                                         gruppen gegründet, das Präsidium breiter aufgestellt,       kanischen Kollegen zu skypen und ein Interview über
                                                                                                                                         etc. Zudem wurden verschiedentlich nationale Akteu-         sein Engagement für die Geographie zu führen gehört
                                                                                                                                         re und Mitglieder der ASG in den Blickpunkt gerückt.        zweifelslos in diese Kategorie. Allgemeiner formuliert:
                                                                                                                                         So wurden beispielsweise in der GeoAgenda nicht             Es geht immer auch um das Zwischenmenschliche bei
                                                                                                                                         ganz zufällig zuerst die SCNAT, dann die universitä-        einem Verein. Dies kommt auch in allen drei Inter-
                                                                                                                                         ren Geographieinstitute und dann die Regionalgesell-        views zur Sprache. Nicht von ungefähr erwähnt zum
Geschrieben von          Es macht richtig Freude, die nachfolgenden drei        Möglichkeiten und Herausforderungen                      schaften portraitiert.                                      Beispiel David Kaplan in seinem Interview die Freude
Francisco Klauser   Interviews zu lesen: mit Zoltán Kovács (Präsident                                                                         Nun geht es darum, auch internationale Kontak-         die er daraus zog, mit Studierenden über ihre Poster
                                                                                geographischer Fachgesellschaften
                    der European Association of Geographical Societies,                                                                  te zu knüpfen und zu vertiefen. Dabei gibt es viel zu       zu diskutieren, oder an einem Geographie-Wettkampf
                    EUGEO), David Kaplan (Präsident der Association of                                                                   gewinnen. Zum Beispiel kann die ASG viel lernen von         teilzunehmen.
                    American Geographers, AAG) und Suresh Chand Rai                  Zum Einen geht es darum, mit den Gesprächen         den Erfahrungen ihrer grossen Brüder und Schwes-
                    (Präsident der National Association of Geographers          die Möglichkeiten und Herausforderungen geogra-          tern in den USA, in Indien oder Europa. Sie kann die-
                    India, NAGI). Dies vor allem deshalb, weil in allen drei    phischer Fachgesellschaften im 21. Jahrhundert zu        sen aber auch selbst einiges bieten, speziell weil die
                    Gesprächen eine grosse Leidenschaft spürbar ist. Die        thematisieren. Interessant ist zum Beispiel, dass in     Schweizer Geographie immer schon ein Schmelztiegel
                                                                                                                                                                                                       «Mitmachen soll nicht
                    Leidenschaft, den Dialog innerhalb der Geographie zu        allen drei Interviews die Wichtigkeit unterstrichen      unterschiedlicher Sprachen, Kulturen und Wissen-              nur nützlich sein, sondern
                    fördern und deren Position in der Bildung und Gesell-       wird, die Rolle des jeweiligen Verbandes in Bezug auf    schaftstraditionen war. Der Wunsch nach einer ver-
                                                                                                                                                                                                       auch Freude bereiten.»
                    schaft zu stärken. Leidenschaft braucht es in vielen        Politik und Gesellschaft zu stärken. Dabei geht es im-   mehrten Zusammenarbeit wurde auch von allen drei
                    Bereichen des Lebens. Aber auf jeden Fall braucht es        mer auch darum, den richtigen Mittwelweg zwischen        Gesprächspartnern geäussert. Hier besteht also ein
                    sie auch, um einen Verein oder eine Fachgesellschaft        klarer Positionierung und Unabhängigkeit zu finden.      riesiges Potential, das es in Zukunft auszuschöpfen gilt.
                    zu präsidieren. Natürlich ist nicht nur hier die Paralle-        Zudem wird in allen drei Gesprächen die Heraus-                                                                      Genau hier liegt auch ein Schlüssel für eine ge-
                    le zur ASG naheliegend.                                     forderung deutlich, die jeweiligen Verbände für ihre                                                                 sunde und erfolgreiche Geographie-Gesellschaft.
                         Die drei Interviews bieten Einblick in unterschied-    Mitglieder selbst nützlich und sinnvoll zu gestalten.                                                                Mitmachen soll nicht nur nützlich sein, sondern auch
                    liche Welten der internationalen Geographie. Die            Auch hier könnte ich selbst ein Lied davon singen, wie
                                                                                                                                           «Nun geht es darum, auch                                  Freude bereiten. Eben dies sollen die Gespräche uns
                    Wahl der Gesprächspartner war dabei vor allem von           schwer es manchmal sein kann, einen geographischen         internationale Kontakte zu                                auch in Erinnerung rufen - auch mir selbst. Geographe
                    persönlichen Überlegungen geleitet. Die AAG musste          Verband nicht nur gegen Aussen, sondern auch gegen
                                                                                                                                           knüpfen und zu vertiefen.                                 oder Geographin zu sein, Präsident oder Präsidentin,
                    rein schon deshalb vertreten sein, weil ich eigentlich      Innen zu legitimieren. Im Falle der ASG geschieht dies                                                               ist immer auch eine Herzensangelegenheit. Womit wir
                    vorhatte, das Gespräch während der AAG Jahreskon-           bekanntermassen mit weit bescheideneren Mitteln            Dabei gibt es viel zu gewinnen. »                         wieder bei der Leidenschaft wären.
                    ferenz im April in Denver zu führen. Indien kam hinzu,      als zum Beispiel bei der AAG. Erwähnt seien zum Bei-
                    weil ich gerade von einer Indienreise zurückkomme           spiel die kleinen Budgets für die Themengruppen und
                    und wissen wollte, wie die Geographie in dem Land           für den geographischen Nachwuchs.
                    organisiert ist. Und die EUGEO wurde gewählt, weil               Verbunden mit der Frage des Innenlebens geogra-
                    Isabelle Schöpfer als Generalsekretärin der ASG An-         phischer Fachgesellschaften und der damit verbun-
                    fang April eigentlich an deren Jahresversammlung im         denen Herausforderungen sei hier auch angemerkt,
                    littauischen Vilnius hätte teilnehmen sollen. Auch hier     dass bei allen drei portraitierten Gesellschaften Män-
                    kam jedoch leider der Coronavirus dazwischen.               ner am Ruder sind. Das gleiche lässt sich für England,
                         Die Beweggründe dafür, die Gespräche zu führen         Deutschland, Frankreich, Italien, Schweiz, etc. sagen.
                    und zu publizieren sind äusserst vielfältig. Ich möchte     A propos, in der Schweiz werden auch der VSGG und
                    hier speziell drei Aspekte hervorheben.                     die SGAG von Männern präsidiert... Genau deshalb
                                                                                wäre es so wichtig, in zwei Jahren nach meinem zwei-
                                                                                ten Mandat als Präsident eine Frau als meine Nach-
                                                                                folgerin zu finden.

                                                                                  «Genau deshalb wäre es                                                                                                                                   PROF. FRANCISCO KLAUSER
                                                                                  so wichtig, in zwei Jahren nach
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Professor der Politischen
                                                                                  meinem zweiten Mandat                                                                                                                                    Geographie an der Université
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           de Neuchâtel und Präsident
                                                                                  als Präsident eine Frau als meine                                                                                                                        der ASG.

                                                                                  Nachfolgerin zu finden.»
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                                                                                                                                      Do you know why your colleagues want-

                Interview of
                                                                                                                                      ed you to become president of EUGEO?

                                                                                                                                           Well there was no clear list of criteria, but one
                                                                                                                                      point was that the new president had to know how

                			Zoltan Kovacs
                                                                                                                                      EUGEO was working and should understand the chal-
                                                                                                                                      lenges, so the new president couldn’t be a complete
by Isabelle Schoepfer                                                                                                                 newcomer. Also, most of the other board members
                                                                                                                                      and the previous two presidents were from west-
                                                                                                                                      ern European communities, and I am from eastern
                                                                                                                                      Europe, so perhaps they also felt it would be a good
                                                                                                                                      change geographically. When I became member of the
                                                                            and recognize that a significant part of them are Eu-     Executive Committee, I made efforts to mobilize col-
                What is your role at EUGEO?
                                                                            ropeans. Many of us thought it was crazy that Euro-       leagues and geographical societies in other post-so-
                     I am the acting president of EUGEO. I was elected      pean geographers were going to the US to find study       viet countries to become members of the EUGEO and
                president in Brussels in 2017 and will be in this po-       groups and organize debates on European topics. So        my connections helped with this. Gradually I was able
                sition until the congress that is planned in Prague in      this was the original motivation to organize some-        to expand the EUGEO from just core European terri-
                August 2021. So, that is a four-year term. In 2017, I was   thing inside Europe. Since the start in Amsterdam,        tories to involve countries from eastern Europe. Age
                also nominated to become president of the Hungari-          we have had congresses in Bratislava (2009), London       also played a role in the selection. The previous presi-
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Group photo at the Galway Congress May 2019. Credits: EUGEO.
                an Geography Society (HGS), but I declined because          (2011), Rome (2013), Budapest (2015), Brussels (2017)     dents where already retired when they were elected, I
                one position is enough for me. However, I am the            and Galway (2019). The eighth congress will be held       was 57 and therefore I had, and still have, an active in-
                chairman of the national IGU committee in the HGS.          in summer 2021. The attendance of these congresses        stitutional background. Finally, in 2015 I was the chief
                Both are voluntary positions.                               fluctuates, depending on locations, but we have man-      organizer of an EUGEO congress in Budapest which            people in the life of member societies. This year ‘land-
                                                                            aged to reach a range of 400–500 people. This is still    was successful, with nearly 600 participants. We put        scape’ is the planned topic, which we chose as a com-
                                                                            far from the size of the AAG or IGU congresses, but in    a lot of effort into this and they saw that I had done      mon topic for both human and physical geography.
                Can you tell me what the EUGEO is
                                                                            the meantime EUGEO as a brand has become known            a good job. So I think these were the factors for them      This seminar was due to take place in Vilnius at the
                and whom this association represents?                       in Europe, especially among early career researchers      choosing me.                                                end of April but unfortunately we had to postpone
                                                                            who have limited budgets for travels outside of Eu-                                                                   this until late autumn because of the coronavirus pan-
                     EUGEO stands for Association of Geographical           rope. Our policy is to involve young researchers in                                                                   demic.
                Societies in Europe and is an umbrella association of       the work of EUGEO and to provide them with cheap
                European geographical associations and societies,           opportunities for conference participation. There-
                                                                                                                                        "The aim of the association
                                                                                                                                                                                                  So EUGEO is for both physical
                from 27 countries. It was created in 1996. For the first    fore, we keep the registration fee of young (i.e. below     is to represent its member
                                                                                                                                                                                                  and human geographers?
                ten years it began as a kind of friendly club, to keep      35) researchers as low as possible (normally around
                                                                                                                                        societies and to coordinate and
                Geographers from different universities from across         100–150 €).
                Europe connected. There was a turning point in 2007,                                                                    initiate collective activities to                              Yes, we try. Unfortunately, there is an over-rep-
                when we had the first EUGEO congress in Amsterdam,                                                                      advance research and education                            resentation of human geographers, but we try. I have
                organized by the Royal Dutch Geography Society, and                                                                                                                               been working in a complex geography institution
                I was there. That was a congress of about 300 people,
                                                                              "EUGEO is still far from the size of                      on the Geography of Europe."                              with many branches of physical geography and earth
                and we decided that from then on, we would orga-              the AAG or IGU congresses, but in                                                                                   sciences such as hydrology, meteorology, mineralo-
                nize a major geographical congress in Europe every
                                                                              the meantime EUGEO as a brand                                                                                       gy, physical geography, geo-informatics and I often
                two years. The Americans have their AAG, the annual                                                                                                                               see that some of these colleagues are not so much
                meeting of the Association of American Geographers.           has become known in Europe,                             What are the aims of EUGEO?                                 interested in IGU or EUGEO, as they have their own
                If the American AAG is held around the Atlantic coast,        especially among early career re-                                                                                   networks and meetings (e.g. INQUA for quaternary re-
                then the number of participants is around 10,000.                                                                          The aim of the association is to represent its         search) and they have a global conference called EGU
                If you are there you will see the list of participants        searchers who have limited budgets                      member societies and to coordinate and initiate col-        in Vienna each year, so they don’t feel like they have
                                                                              for travels outside of Europe."                         lective activities to advance research and education        to go EUGEO congresses. Some colleagues agree with
                                                                                                                                      on the Geography of Europe. It functions as a network       my argument that we need to have communication
                                                                                                                                      and a forum for promoting the scientific discipline,        and collaboration between physical and human geog-
                                                                                                                                      the school subject and the professional practice of         raphy. If we take, right now, the topic of the Covid-19
                                                                                                                                      Geography in Europe.                                        virus, or global warming and climate change, they pro-
                                PROF. ZOLTAN KOVACS                         Ok, so you are actively involved in HGS,                                                                              vide a good platform for both physical and human ge-
                                                                            EUGEO, IGU. How is your involvement                                                                                   ographers to work together. Unfortunately, in every-
                                President of EUGEO, the Association
                                                                                                                                      How do you implement the main aims
                                                                            in these three associations connected?                                                                                day reality, physical geographers are under the strong
                                of Geographical Societies in Europe.                                                                  of the Associations?                                        pressure of ‘publish or perish’, i.e. publish in top qual-
                                Professor at the University of Szeged,      What motivates you to be involved?
                                Hungary, researching in the fields                                                                                                                                ity journals within their fields, as they are compared
                                of urban geography, urbanisation,                Through my academic career I have been in-               Every 2 years we have big congresses, and in be-        with geochemists, geologists etc. So these colleagues
                                residential mobility, political geog-       volved in many international projects and attended        tween we have general assemblies and a seminar.             don’t think of joint publications with human geogra-
                                raphy, electoral geography, geography
                                of post-socialist transformation in         a great number of conferences and seminars. I have        The seminar is a small-scale event, meaning one day,        phers and instead are more open to collaborate with
                                Hungary and East Central Europe.            visited lots of countries around Europe and I became      about a topic which is relevant for the member soci-        representatives of hard-core earth sciences, and
                                                                            acquainted with many schools and geographers all          eties. For instance, a few years ago we had a topic on      move towards climatology, geophysics or information
                                                                            over Europe. I can use my personal network and con-       ‘Geography Publications in National Languages’ and          sciences. So this is a general problem, that there is a
                                                                            nect people, which is also useful for EUGEO. I think we   how to compete with the Elsevier and other global           permutation at the fringe of geography and there is
                                                                            must use our experiences to help connect people and       Anglo-Saxon publishers and their English language           more inclination to collaborate with people in other
                                                                            mobilize them for the sake of geography.                  journals. One year our topic was how to involve young       fields, in the form of inter-disciplinary collaboration,
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                                                                                                                                                   What are the key challenges for EUGEO?                      So how do you think we can
                                                                                                                                                                                                               strengthen the collaboration between
                                                                                                                                                        Surely one challenge is to mobilize people and our
                                                                                                                                                   member societies. This is our main task. One import-        EUGEO and ASG?
                                                                                                                                                   ant aspect of mobilization is communication. For that
                                                                                                                                                   purpose, we inform representatives of our member                  So one thing is to maintain an online connection.
                                                                                                                                                   societies by circulating the President’s Letter regularly   On our website, ASG has a ‘room’ where it can provide
                                                                                                                                                   every six months. Also we use our website to circu-         information about the society and its activities. And it
                                                                                                                                                   late information among our members, and we use the          would be great if you can make a link on the ASG web-
                                                                                                                                                   communication opportunities of congresses as well.          site to the EUGEO website, so that your members can
                                                                                                                                                   The most general challenge for us is to strengthen the      follow the forthcoming activities of EUGEO. Secondly,
                                                                                                                                                   position of geography among school disciplines and at       very importantly, is personal participation. Physical-
                                                                                                                                                   the university level. To support primary and second-        ly attending the General Assemblies is very import-
                                                                                                                                                   ary geography education the Charter of Geography            ant. We have them every year so both adjoining the
                                                                                                                                                   Teaching/Education was asserted by the IGU in Beijing       conferences, and in the years in between the confer-
                                                                                                                                                   2016. We recommended that all associations translate        ences. This year, it will be in Vilnius in October, as we
                                                                                                                                                   this charter into their national languages and put it       had to delay it because of the Covid virus.
                                                                                                                                                   on their websites so that geography teachers can
                                                                                                                                                   access it. This charter is a manifesto for the role of
                                                                                                                                                                                                               Thank you so much for the interview,
                                                                                                                                                   geography in education and the role of geographical
                                                                                                                                                   knowledge among young people. Also we have a big            and I look forward to meeting you in
                                                                                                                                                   problem that in elementary and grammar schools the          Vilnius in October!
                                                                                                                                                   reforms always threaten the position of geography.
                                                                                                                                                   One of our seminars was on this topic, discussing the
                                                                                                                                                   amazing differences in different countries, and to un-
                                                                                                                                                   derstand whether there was a threat to the position
                                                                                                                                                   of geography. In my country we regularly send letters
                                                                                                                                                   to policy makers to support the need for geography to
                                                                                                                                                   be kept central to the curriculum. Also we encourage
                                                                                                                                                   our member societies to engage in cross-border co-
                                                                                                                                                   operation, like school exchange programs organized
                                                                                                                                                   by geographers and members of our societies across
EUGEO Seminar and General Assembly Zadar/ Croatia summer 2016, fieldtrip (Z. Kovacs).                                                              different countries. If I am approached through the
                                                                                                                                                   EUGEO by people who want to apply for grants we
                                                                                                                                                   can assist them and provide a letter of support. So
                                                                                                                                                   this is symbolic but important that we, as an umbrel-
                          rather than inside geography. This is a big challenge         popularize geography and geographical knowledge. I         la organization, offer support and services for grant
                          everywhere in the world not only in Europe.                   think the post-Covid19 year will provide a lot of oppor-   applications. And if we can sponsor some activities,
                                                                                        tunities for us, as Space, Mobility and Social Interac-    like the attendance of young early-career colleagues
                                                                                        tions will be re-evaluated. Under these circumstances      at conferences, we will. The opportunities aren’t too
                          Are there some other activities
                                                                                        we geographers also have to react and focus more on        wide of course but we do what we can.
                          that you organize beside congresses                           concrete challenges e.g. how virtual tours can be or-
                          and seminars?                                                 ganized.
                                                                                                                                                   Does EUGEO have individual members?
                               Yes, we also support GeoNight. It was initiated by                                                                  And what about membership fees?
                          our French member society three years ago, and was
                          about popular actions, making and propagating the
                                                                                          "We also support GeoNight. It takes                           For EUGEO, you cannot be an individual member.
                          usefulness of geographical knowledge among ordi-                place every first Friday in April.                       You are a member of your society and your society
                          nary people. It takes place every first Friday in April.
                                                                                          GeoNight is basically a night of light,                  is represented in EUGEO. Until 2013 EUGEO collected
                          Unfortunately, this year it was cancelled due to the                                                                     membership fees from societies, but then we stopped
                          pandemic. The first year the motto was ‘sunset’, and            popular events and exhibitions                           collecting fees because we didn’t really need to have
                          in Hungary we organized lots of activities related to           that will engage people. It’s a sort                     a budget. We don’t have secretariat fees and have
                          sunset such as climbing a mountain to watch it, or                                                                       mostly online activities. So, with the reserves that we
                          going to a wine restaurant and explaining the role of           of campaign to popularize geography                      had left from previous fees, we decided to sponsor
                          volcanic soils in wine production, or a national photo          and geographical knowledge."                             the congresses, asking the organizers to use this to
                          contest about sunset. Many other countries and cit-                                                                      subsidize the participation fee of young scholars. We
                          ies participate in the GeoNight initiative and this has                                                                  have had successful grant schemes at our previous
                          become very popular among our members. GeoNight                                                                          congresses.
                          is basically a night of light, popular events and exhibi-
                          tions that will engage people. It’s a sort of campaign to

                                                                                                                                                                                                               At the closing ceremony of the Brussels 2017 congress.
                                                                                                                                                                                                               Credits: EUGEO.
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                Interview of
                		David Kaplan
by Francisco Klauser

                Whom does the AAG represent?                              How do you negotiate these two levels,
                                                                          the global and the national level?
                     The American Association of Geographers is the
                pre-eminent community of geographers in the US.                I think it’s a tricky thing to do and we’re doing it as
                It began as an association that was primarily meant       we speak. One thing I’ve tried to do is to create more
                to represent academic geographers, and it still has a     options for people to be involved in the governance
                strong academic bent although it also welcomes peo-       of the association. Two of the newest editors of our
                ple who are non-academics. There are a large num-         flagship journal, ‘The Annals’, are outside of the US –
                ber of graduate students as you might imagine and         one is based in London and one is based in British Co-
                current faculty or ex-faculty in geography either be-     lombia. I’m also trying to initiate a program - and we’ll
                long to the AAG or have belonged to it at some point. I   see how successful it is - where we have a councillor
                don’t think there would be too many people who have       who comes from outside of the US to represent peo-
                never belonged to the AAG at some point in their ca-      ple from other parts of the world.
                reers.
                     Right now we have about 12,000 members and
                about 30% of our members come from outside of the
                US. I would say the AAG has emerged as a meeting
                                                                            "The AAG has become a
                                                                                                                                         Poster session, AAG annual conference 2019, 4 April 2019, Washington, DC. Photo: Rebecca Pendergast
                point for geographers from the whole world, unlike          very important hub for
                other associations. We have tried to acknowledge
                                                                            worldwide geography but
                that. Years ago, we changed the name from the Asso-
                ciation of American Geographers to the American As-         in the US, geography is                                      as powerful a discipline as it is in other parts of the             hance their regional publicity, which is something I’ve
                sociation of Geographers which indicates that we are        not nearly as powerful a                                     world. In the US, only about 1% of all college students             been working on today. We’re trying to do what we
                based in the US but see ourselves as the association                                                                     are geography majors, and I compared this to the UK                 can to create better connections.
                of geographers throughout the world.                        discipline as it is in other                                 where it is about 5%. I don’t know what it is in Switzer-               Also, whenever we find out a university depart-
                                                                            parts of the world."                                         land but it’s probably similar to the UK. In the UK it’s            ment has problems or there is a threat to its existence
                                                                                                                                         a strong major on a par with majors such as history,                we get together and do everything we can to send
                                                                                                                                         political science or geology – we don’t quite have that             support documents and whatever might be helpful.
                                                                                                                                         in the US and of course we’re always concerned with                 So far it has been effective; we’ve done a good job of
                                                                                                                                         that. So one of the things we’re trying to do is improve            forestalling closures and keeping geography viable
                                                                          Do you also get national, regional or local                    the status of geography locally and nationally.                     around the entire country.
                                                                          equests? Can you engage for example
                                DAVID KAPLAN
                                                                          with issues surrounding the teaching of                        How do you implement your main aims?                                Is your position an honorary position,
                                is the president of the American          geography in primary or secondary                              We were just talking about these edu-                               or do you get a salary for it because you
                                Association of Geographers (AAG).
                                He is also a professor of Geog-           schools?                                                       cational issues and objectives. Do you                              seem to be extremely busy!
                                raphy at Kent State University,
                                where he has taught since 1995.                                                                          have people in your organisation deal-
                                His main research interests in-                Yes. While we are thinking about the world and            ing with that specific aspect, or do you                                 No and no, haha! It’s not an honorary position
                                clude nationalism, borderlands,           international geography we’re also always thinking a                                                                               and I don’t get a salary. The way the governance works
                                ethnic and racial segregation,            lot about our regions. One of the things I try to do is
                                                                                                                                         have specific funding to provide to help                            for the AAG is that there are councillors, some of them
                                urban and regional development,
                                                                          to bolster the roles of the regions. We’re divided into        promote geography education?                                        are voted on in their respective regions and some are
                                housing finance, and sustainable
                                transportation.                           9 US based regions and each of those regions has an                                                                                voted by the larger group, and then there is what I call
                                                                          important position. They also have their own meet-                  In terms of helping out at the more local level I              presidential councillors. I was nominated and suc-
                                Image: David Kaplan at the awards
                                                                          ings for example.                                              just had a 3-hour discussion with my task force on                  cessfully ran for vice-president. Then the vice-presi-
                                ceremony, AAG annual conference
                                2019, 7 April 2019, Washington, DC.            The other part is that, you’re right, we’re always        regions, via zoom, about how we go about getting                    dent pretty much automatically becomes the pres-
                                Photo: Rebecca Pendergast                 worried about the state of geography in the US. It’s           the regions more support. It does often boil down to                ident. There’s a vote, but you’re normally the only
                                                                          in some ways ironic, because as the US is so big and           money. The central office might give the regions ex-                person who’s on the ballot. And after the president’s
                                                                          as the AAG is fairly strong the AAG has become a very          tra money to do things, but there can also be indirect              term they continue to be in the leadership team and
                                                                          important hub for worldwide geography but as you               funds that we free up via extra support. The central                on the executive committee.
                                                                          probably know, in the US, geography is not nearly              office might assume certain responsibilities or en-                      In terms of paid staff, we also work with an exec-
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                                                                                                                                                         If we stay with the more personal                              "In this current political
                                                                                                                                                         questions, what comes to mind                                  situation where there’s so much
                                                                                                                                                         if I ask you to tell me a good story of
                                                                                                                                                         your time as president?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        anger at the president and the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        nature of our politics, geographers
                                                                                                                                                               I would say among the most fulfilling aspects of         have to be very balanced."
                                                                                                                                                         my job has been the opportunity to go to a lot of re-
                                                                                                                                                         gional meetings. One of the things that I enjoyed the
                                                                                                                                                         most is going around to all the student posters and
                                                                                                                                                         presentations that I could see and really talking to
                                                                                                                                                         the students. I think they got a thrill out of it because
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On the other hand, I would expect a
                                                                                                                                                         it’s like ‘Woah the president of the AAG is checking         massive organisation like the AAG
                                                                                                                                                         up with me!’ It’s just a title, but for many of them it is   to also be under pressure from politics.
                                                                                                                                                         something that is meaningful because it represents           Pressure to be useful for specific pur-
                                                                                                                                                         ‘Geography’. And here they are as undergraduate and
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      poses and to contribute to national poli-
                                                                                                                                                         graduate students, and they get a chance to explain
                                                                                                                                                         to me what their research interests are. It was real-        cies. The question is, how do we remain
                                                                                                                                                         ly heart-warming being able to go around to see all          critical and how do we remain indepen-
                                                                                                                                                         these students and their work and I’d never been able        dent? Do you experience any of this
                                                                                                                                                         to do that before.                                           tension between the more applied di-
                                                                                                                                                               There have also been some other experiences,
                                                                                                                                                         which have been interesting. When I was in one of
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mension of geography and then the
                                                                                                                                                         the regions, they insisted that the president be on the      more critical and perhaps activist stance?
                                                                                                                                                         ‘dream team’ for the ‘Geography Bowl’. We have a big
                                                                                                                                                         Geography Bowl situation here, where all the regions              I think that’s a very important issue. I’m actually
                                                                                                                                                         have a geography team and they all compete within            going to write a column about geography and politics
                                                                                                                                                         the region against each other and at a national level        for June 1st- maybe my last column as I don’t know
                                                                                                                                                         and they insisted that I be on this team and, of course,     how controversial it’s going to be, haha! Especially in
                                                                                                                                                         I didn’t get any questions right! Hahahaha. That’s the       this current political situation where there’s so much
                                                                                                                                                         way it is! Haha.                                             anger at the president and the nature of our politics,
Meeting on teaching geography, AAG annual conference 2019, 4 April 2019, Washington, DC. Photo: Rebecca Pendergast
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      geographers in some ways have to be very balanced.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But it’s hard to balance the role of being objective
                                                                                                                                                         Ha! Yes, I always have that experience
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      scholars and truth finders with some of the feelings
                                                                                                                                                         when I’m doing a pub quiz, you know?                         that we have.
                                                                                                                                                         Whenever there’s a geography question                             I will also say that in geography there is a tension
                                                                                                                                                         and I just don’t have a clue! So, in the                     between what we call applied geography and critical
                                                                                                                                                         next 5–10 years what do you think will                       geography. There are some geographers who swing in
                          utive director who is the paid officer of the AAG and              well-represented institutions, such as community col-                                                                    one way very strongly or swing in the other way really
                          there are about 20 staff members at the AAG in Wash-               leges, smaller state universities and historically black
                                                                                                                                                         be your key challenges as an association?                    strongly. I think most of us are in the middle trying to
                          ington DC. So, the president and the council are the               colleges, of which there are many in the US. Places like         I think our challenge will be being able to main-       do what we can and see what our value is to our or-
                          people who make the policy and make decisions and                  these have a big role to play and my sensitivity to it is   tain and increase the number of geographers not              ganisation or institution but also be at a point where
                          then the AAG from the Executive Director down are                  probably based on my background.                            just in the association but in the US. It’s good to be       we can question critically the underlying premises
                          the ones who implement the policy.                                                                                             global, but geography in the US is always in a tenu-         or assumptions when you’re told ‘you have to take a
                                                                                                                                                         ous position and I think that we have to motivate peo-       stand against this’ or ‘for this’.
                                                                                                                                                         ple around the country to do whatever is possible to
                          So what motivated you                                                 "One of the things that                                  increase the number of students in geography. This
                          to assume that role?                                                                                                                                                                        I look forward to reading your column!
                                                                                                I enjoyed the most is going                              has been a continual challenge, but I think sometimes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you very much it has been a great
                                                                                                around to all the student                                geographers can lose sight of that when they get in-
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      pleasure to talk to you.
                               Someone nominated me to be VP - and I was very                                                                            volved in their own things.
                          surprised and happy. I just said ‘Wow’! My university                 posters and presentations
                          is a good, solid university, it’s a research university,              that I could see and really
                          and we have a lot of PhD students, but it’s not con-
                          sidered one of the top 20 or 30 universities in the US                talk to the students."
                          like the University of Wisconsin or Berkley or places
                          like that. Most of the AAG presidents have historically
                          come from those types of institutions. I have always
                          said that I was one of the few people that did not
                          come from one of the more elite institutions in the
                          country, which I think is a good thing. It’s really helped
                          to spark my interest in bringing the community of
                          geography much more towards what I consider less
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                Interview of
                		 Suresh Chand Rai
by Francisco Klauser

                As the general secretary of the National                  So, do you have an idea of how many
                Association of Geographers, India, what                   members you have?
                does this role imply?
                                                                              Yes, currently we have 2560 enrolled members.
                    I have been working for our association, the NAGI
                (National Association of Geographers, India) as the
                                                                          Wow, that’s a big association. In Swit-
                Secretary General since 2010. My responsibility is to
                manage the association activities. I control all of the   zerland, in my own association, we only
                publications from the national association, and our       have institutional members, so univer-
                financial management. Because the whole organisa-         sities or other regional associations but
                tion is managed by the Secretary General, my role is      not people. It is therefore much smaller
                very large.
                                                                          and easier to manage.
                                                                                                                                    Prof. Suresh Chand Rai, Secretary-General, NAGI presented Activity report in the inaugural session of 41st Indian Geography Congress,
                                                                              I see. Also, apart from Indian members we have        held at Dr. H.S. Gaur Vishwavidyalaya, Sagar, M.P., India, 28th December 2019. Photo: K. Mishra.
                Who is part of your organisation? Who
                                                                          over 50 foreign country members from Germany, the
                do you represent? Is it all geographers in                USA, Nepal, and others.
                India or specific institutions?
                                                                          So I could become a member?                               and I am about to sign the MOU with the Taiwan Ge-                       "In India Geography is very
                     All geographers in India who are working in the                                                                ography Association. Another aim is to improve the
                                                                                                                                                                                                             popular so we want to strengthen
                university or college system, and some who are work-          Yes, you can become a member!                         teaching of geography at all levels. Our concern is to
                ing in multi-disciplinary subjects such as political                                                                improve the curriculum and our international status                      our knowledge and collaborate
                science, sociology and economics are also members
                                                                          And how much is the membership fee?                       and to train our teachers to teach geography at an                       with other associations to get their
                of our association. We also have some institutional                                                                 international standard. We also meet with Indian ge-
                members such as University and departmental librar-             A life membership fee for foreign members is        ography colleagues once a year. Every year in differ-                    expertise."
                ies. So, this association is very large and represents    $150. So, once you pay that fee you are a member for      ent parts of the country we organise a national level
                the entire country. We have members from every part       life. And for Indian members it is 4000 rupees. For       conference called the Indian Geography Congress. We
                of the country and some other parts of the world, and     those who are life members you get our journal, The       host it in different parts of the country each year to                Yes, it is so beautiful there in the moun-
                we are the only national level organisation for geogra-   Annals, free of cost, as well as our circulars such as    ensure people can access this. We have also conduct-
                                                                                                                                                                                                          tains.
                phers in India.                                           newsletters. So, if you become a life member you will     ed four or five international level conferences for in-
                                                                          get all of the information without charge.                ternational scholars.                                                     Darjeeling tea is very nice and Sikkim tea is also
                                                                                                                                                                                                          very flavourful.
                                                                          So, what are the main aims of your                        Yes, I think there was an international
                                                                          association?                                              conference at the end of December, right?                             You mentioned collaborations with
                                PROF. SURESH CHAND RAI                                                                                                                                                    other national associations. Could you
                                                                               The main aim is to promote geography research            Yes, we had one conference at Sagar in Madhya                     discuss that a little more and also
                                Professor in Physical Geography at
                                the Department of Geography,
                                                                          in the country and secondly to cooperate with pro-        Pradesh.                                                              mention whether there could be some
                                Delhi School of Economics, Univer-        fessional organisation of associated disciplines and                                                                            scope for collaboration with the Swiss
                                sity of Delhi. His most significant       to promote academic interaction within an interdis-
                                contributions are in the field of
                                                                                                                                    Yes, I was actually in India then but I                               association?
                                                                          ciplinary frame. Thirdly, another aim is to cooperate
                                land and water resource manage-
                                                                          with other international organisations with similar       was in the north of the country traveling                                 Yes, we are very open to collaboration with other
                                ment, watershed management,
                                biodiversity, ecotourism and              objectives and our intention is to collaborate in joint   around Chandigarh and Amritsar and                                    associations. By collaborating with other internation-
                                microlevel planning. Since 2010,          academic activities and share our research. So far, I     then Darjeeling on the other side so I                                al association our people can learn something from
                                he is serving as Secretary General        can tell you that we have four foreign associations                                                                             what is going on in Geography research in other parts
                                of National Association of Geog-                                                                    couldn’t go.
                                raphers, India (NAGI).
                                                                          who have signed our memorandum of understanding                                                                                 of the world. So we are always welcoming other or-
                                                                          (MOU), declaring that we have similar objectives and          I spent around 15 years in the Darjeeling and Sik-                ganisations to join hands with us and sign an MOU.
                                                                          that we will work together. We have an MOU with the       kim area, my whole research area is based on the Sik-
                                                                          Russian Geography Association, the Chinese Geogra-        kim and Darjeeling area.
                                                                          phy Association, the Vietnam Geography Association,
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                                                                                                                                                           trying to improve the standard of the geography sylla-
                                                                                                                                                           bus, so we are training teachers and trying to improve
                                                                                                                                                           and modernise their traditional approach. It is very
                                                                                                                                                           difficult to get the expertise to the teachers working
                                                                                                                                                           in rural areas, because technology is changing very
                                                                                                                                                           fast and it is very difficult to distribute the expertise
                                                                                                                                                           at that pace. So, these are the major challenges that
                                                                                                                                                           we are going to face.
                                                                                                                                                                Our association is not very powerful. We have a
                                                                                                                                                           lot of members but we don’t have any strong say in
                                                                                                                                                           government policy, and this is a major problem be-
                                                                                                                                                           cause in other associations like in Russia and in China
                                                                                                                                                           they have a very strong voice in the government but
                                                                                                                                                           here in India we don’t have any way to advise, or get
                                                                                                                                                           involved in debates about programmes or policy so
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Release of souvenir during 41st Indian Geography Congress by President, President-elect,
                                                                                                                                                           this is where we are lacking and we are trying to re-       Secretary-General, Chief Guest and convenor of the 41st Indian Geography Congress, held at
                                                                                                                                                           solve all of these problems.                                Dr. H.S. Gaur Vishwavidyalaya, Sagar, M.P., India, 28th December 2019. Photo: K. Mishra.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       standards to an international level. I knew, as I was
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       in government, what these standards were in other
                                                                                                                                                             "If our government would                                  parts of the world and I wanted to help the Indian as-
                                                                                                                                                             take advice from the association                          sociation to reach those standards. Since I took the
                                                                                                                                                             and members, I think that                                 job we have slowly and steadily improved in terms
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       of governance and structure as well as outputs. Now
                                                                                                                                                             would be a very fruitful addition                         we are producing an international standard journal
                                                                                                                                                             to Indian policy."                                        which is very popular, has good quality papers and is
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       available both online and in hard copy. We have bet-
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       ter finances and the standard of the governance has
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       improved a lot. So, these are motivators, to improve
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       standards of geography in the country. This is why I
Life Time Achievement Award received by Prof. Suresh Chand Rai, Secretary-General, NAGI during the 41st Indian Geography Congress, held at Dr. H.S. Gaur   So, you would like to have a stronger                       serve this organisation for free.
Vishwavidyalya, Sagar, M.P., India, 28th December 2019. Photo: K. Mishra.
                                                                                                                                                           impact on public policy?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       You do all of this for free?
                                                                                                                                                                If our government would take advice from the as-
                          And what would that involve?                                          that we have had 13 memoriam lectures already. The         sociation and members, I think that would be a very             Yes.
                                                                                                other thing is we give awards to those who contribute      fruitful addition to Indian policy. Our professors and
                              Whenever we sign the MOU with other organisa-                     to the field of geography every year and these have        members are working in different parts of the coun-
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Wow, so you give a lot of time to it.
                          tions, we make sure we share all our information with                 become prestigious awards given to renowned Geog-          try and if we want to improve the status of geography
                          them, and we invite them to present papers at our na-                 raphers of our country. This is unique to us, I think.     and the resources across the country that would be               Yes, I spend a lot of time managing all our finan-
                          tional and international conferences.                                                                                            useful. We are trying to convince our policy makers to      cial work, the governance, communicating with all of
                                                                                                                                                           include and engage with the advice of geographers.          our members. I spend my energy and time to raise the
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       status of our association.
                          One reason for my interview was also to                                 "We give awards to those
                          strengthen my own association’s links                                                                                            Would you be able to question policies?
                                                                                                  who contribute to the field of                                                                                       So, if you could just share one particular
                          with other associations so that could be                                                                                         To have a critical engagement with
                                                                                                  geography every year and                                 things that happens in India?                               story or anecdote which is funny for
                          an interesting possibility.
                                                                                                  these have become prestigious                                                                                        you or something special that you expe-
                               Right, in India Geography is very popular so we                    awards given to renowned                                      We do not have the connections at the moment,          rienced.
                          want to strengthen our knowledge and collaborate                                                                                 we have a limited scope to say anything even in areas
                          with other associations to get their expertise, so this                 Geographers of our country."                             such as environmental policy, but I think our exper-             When I signed the first MOU with the Russian
                          is a good initiative to create links with more associa-                                                                          tise could help.                                            Geography Association it was my responsibility, and
                          tions.                                                                                                                                                                                       this was the first time we had signed an MOU with
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       any international agency. The council was organised
                                                                                                                                                           What motivated you to become part of
                                                                                                These are very inspiring ideas for my                                                                                  in Moscow and I travelled there and stayed there and
                          So, what do you think is specific                                                                                                the association?                                            met international geographers for this collaborative
                          about your association, if you compare                                organisation. What do you think for your
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       achievement. This was a unique achievement for our
                          it to other ones?                                                     association will be your key challenges?                       Well, prior to my current role I was working in the     association and for me it was a great moment, espe-
                                                                                                                                                           government sector in the Ministry for Environmental         cially because the Russian Geography Association is
                               We organise memorial lectures, which are talks                       As you know, geographical pedagogy and knowl-          Affairs. When I joined, I saw that the condition of the     one of the oldest geography associations in the world.
                          given by eminent geographers in the name of other                     edge moves very fast at international levels, so we        geography association was not very good, in terms of        It was founded in 1845.
                          geographers who, in their lifetime, made a significant                need to keep pace with international knowledge and         their financial situation and their publications. This
                          contribution to Indian geography on an international                  pedagogy to ensure our students are competitive. We        motivated me, I felt that as I was working in the field
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Thank you so much for the interview!
                          level. We raise funds for and organise these memori-                  have to have strong collaborations with the world,         of geography it was my responsibility to improve the
                          al lectures every year; you may be surprised to know                  and with the government also. At school level we are       association financially and academically to raise the
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                   Quelle formation des ensei-
                   gnant.e.s de géographie
                   pour appréhender les enjeux
                   de durabilité mondiaux ?
À débattre                                                           L’éducation en vue d’un développement du-
 	De quoi les enseignant.e.s de géographie ont-ils/elles      rable (EDD), qui a pour objectif de rendre capable
                                                               de participer à l’évolution de nos sociétés vers la
   besoin pour implémenter des pratiques qui aident les
                                                               durabilité, prend dans ce contexte tout son sens.
   élèves à appréhender et à s’impliquer dans les enjeux
                                                               Bien qu’intégrée depuis la décennie EDD (2005-2014)
   de durabilité mondiaux actuels ?                            dans les plans d’études, il s’avère que dans la réali-
 	Des synergies entre la didactique de la géographie et       té des classes romandes les pratiques sont encore
                                                               hésitantes, mettent majoritairement l’accent sur le
   des modèles de compétences en éducation en vue d’un
                                                               pôle environnemental (Hertig & Audigier 2010) et dé-
   développement durable (EDD) permettent-elles de mieux       bouchent souvent sur des propositions d’écogestes
   outiller les enseignant.e.s de géographie à ce niveau ?     à tendance normative amenés dans le cadre d’un
                                                               enseignement majoritairement frontal (Pache et
 	Quels sont les impensés de la formation des ensei-
                                                               al., 2018). Cette absence de problématisation des         Exemple d’outil de réflexion aidant les enseignant.e.s à aller au-delà des éco-       Audigier, F. (2011). Education en vue du développement durable et didactiques.
   gnant.e.s dans ce domaine ?                                                                                           gestes individuels et à faire réfléchir leurs élèves à divers acteurs, qui peuvent    In: F. Audigier, N. Fink, N. Freudiger, P. Haeberli (Eds.). L’éducation en vue
                                                               savoirs, de réflexion sur la finalité du développement    intervenir à diverses échelles d’action. Les cercles imbriqués indiquent d'une        du développement durable : sciences sociales et élèves en débats (47–71). Les
                                                               de nos sociétés et de travail par compétences va à        part que divers acteurs et leurs actions respectives peuvent s'articuler autour       Cahiers de la section des Sciences de l’Education de l’Université de Genève
                                                               l’encontre « des postures d’éducation citoyenne à         d'un même but, d'autre part qu’un individu peut s’engager à diverses échelles         N°130. Genève : Université de Genève.
                                                                                                                         d'acteurs, donc tant au niveau individuel qu'étatique national par exemple.
                                                               visée délibérative ou critique » (Barthes & Alpe, 2013)
Écrit par:         La situation de pandémie que nous vi-       et d’une éducation transformative, éléments pour-
Nadia Lausselet                                                tant au cœur de l’EDD. En d’autres termes, il semble
nadia.lausselet@   vons actuellement illustre l’idée de ges-
                                                               encore difficile à une majorité d’enseignant.e.s de
hepl.ch            tion de l’incertitude prenant en compte
                                                               créer ce que Lange (2015) nomme des « situations
                   le principe de précaution. Elle rend        capacitantes » permettant à leurs élèves d’exercer        préhension des interdépendances entre les sociétés                           « La formation a un rôle
                   visibles les dynamiques de diffusion et     et d’acquérir les outils qui leur seront utiles pour      et avec leur espace environnant ; elle mène une
                   de polarisation, ainsi que l’ensemble       évoluer dans et faire évoluer les sociétés face aux       réflexion sur les phénomènes de diffusion et de po-
                                                                                                                                                                                                      essentiel à jouer pour favoriser
                   complexe des interdépendances du lo-        défis actuels. En plus de cela, l’articulation avec les   larisation à différentes échelles spatiales qui favorise                     l'implémentation d'une
                   cal au mondial. Elle offre un espace de     disciplines scolaires est rarement explicitée, ce qui     une entrée dans la complexité ; elle met en lumière
                                                               ne facilite pas l’opérationnalisation de l’EDD dans le    le (non)-lien au lieu ainsi que le rôle des acteurs et
                                                                                                                                                                                                      géographie critique, prospective
                   réflexion sur nos modèles de société,
                                                               système scolaire actuel, et ne permet pas de tirer        de leurs représentations dans la gestion de l'espace                         et citoyenne faisant réellement
                   de production et de gouvernance ; sur       profit au mieux d’un détour par ces disciplines.          (donc de l'environnement au sens large). Ce sont
                   notre rapport Humain-Nature ; et sur                                                                  là autant de clés de lecture du monde qui peuvent
                                                                                                                                                                                                      écho aux enjeux contemporains. »
                   la notion d’urgence, sanitaire et éco-                                                                aider la jeune génération à appréhender les défis
                   nomique, mais aussi climatique, envi-         « L'absence de problématisation                         mondiaux avec lesquels nous devons composer, et
                   ronnementale et sociétale. C’est pour                                                                 qui tissent des liens avec une EDD. Et lorsque le déve-
                                                                 des savoirs, de réflexion sur                           loppement durable (DD) est évoqué dans les textes                          Enjeux de la formation
                   mieux tenir compte de ces enjeux de
                                                                 la finalité du développement de                         officiels, il l’est souvent en lien avec la géographie ou                  des enseignant.e.s
                   durabilité mondiaux et de leurs impli-                                                                un domaine affilié. Pourtant, et malgré le fait que les
                   cations pour l’enseignement-appren-           nos sociétés et de travail par                          élèves demandent pro-activement à traiter des défis                              Il semble donc que la formation des ensei-
                   tissage que ma recherche doctorale            compétences va à l'encontre de                          mondiaux, de nombreux enseignant.e.s hésitent à                            gnant.e.s ait un rôle essentiel à jouer tant pour
                   cherche à articuler les avancées de la                                                                aborder des questions pouvant s’avérer complexes                           favoriser l’implémentation d’une EDD émancipatrice
                   didactique de la géographie et de l’EDD,
                                                                 la visée transformative de l'EDD. »                     ou sujettes à controverses, et tendent à rester dans                       que pour promouvoir la pratique d’une géographie
                                                                                                                         une géographie descriptive, peu critique et exemptée                       faisant réellement écho aux enjeux contemporains.
                   l’objectif étant d’accompagner au plus
                                                                                                                         de réflexions prospectives sociétales.                                     Cette géographie critique, prospective et citoyenne,
                   près les enseignant.e.s dans leur travail        Dans la palette des disciplines scolaires, la                                                                                   qui intègre une réflexion sur l’avenir de nos sociétés,
                   autour de ces questions.                    géographie est dans ce contexte privilégiée, car elle                                                                                la finalité de nos économies et un rapport renouvelé
                                                               s’articule aisément avec l’EDD en tant qu’approche                                                                                   au monde, et qui favorise une dimension « capa-
                                                               transversale. De par sa double appartenance aux                                                                                      citante » pour les élèves est certes en discussion
                                                               Sciences Humaines et de la Nature, elle facilite l’ap-                                                                               au niveau de la recherche et est progressivement
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